The response to my guest blog over at Simply Solo (In Defense of the Beta Man) along with some things I read on a couple blogs recently got me thinking about “The Friend Zone.” You know, that place men talk about hating being put by the women in their lives, like it’s some dread purgatory from which there is no escape.

I don’t think it’s always like that, or that simple. Let’s talk about The Friend Zone. [NOTE: Much of what I'm writing here is assuming that the male/female friends in question aren't married to or significantly involved with other people. That changes the dynamics!]
Sure, for some (alpha) men and their relationships with women, there’s no worse fate than to be put into the FZ. For them, women aren’t friends, they’re prizes to be won and the prize should include some sort of sexual contact. If you’ve been put in the FZ, then there’s no chance of sexual contact and so there is no prize. The Friend Zone is the polar opposite of the end zone, game over man!
For beta men, as I talked about in my blog post, spending time with a woman he cares about is the prize. Sure, would he like to end the night with a roll in the hay? Of course, he’s still a man! A woman’s body holds endless fascination for a man and we’d like nothing better than to be given the chance to explore it. But a beta man is often interested in a woman for a lot more reasons than just sex, so being in the FZ means still getting to spend time with the woman. 90% of what you want is still a very good deal, right?
I think The Friend Zone gets a bad rap starting in High School, when boys and girls are first starting to figure out the whole dating, boyfriend/girlfriend thing. Those first sexual encounters are a Big Deal, confusing, scary, thrilling and wild. Hormones are running rampant, and I think girls use The Friend Zone to help them sort through the confusing time. Of course, on the other side of the equation, hormones have turned boys into a throbbing bundle of need. Sex is all they can think about, so naturally getting put in the FZ is a fate worse than death.
But eventually boys and girls become men and women, and most of us get a little less driven by hormones and physical needs. We become open to more complex relationships, and I think that makes the Friend Zone a place that shouldn’t be considered in a negative light. For one thing, friendship is a pretty big deal, and true friends are invaluable for navigating the stormy waters of life. A friend of the opposite sex can give you valuable perspective on life, on love, on family.
For another, as time goes on, friendship and companionship is something we crave in a partner as much as chemistry. Someone you saw as only a friend at one point in your life might become something more as both of you grow and change over the years. It obviously isn’t going to happen with everyone in the FZ, but you never know what life brings. It may never happen, but you still have got a great friend out of the deal.

In the comments for my blog over on Simply Solo, Claudia wrote a really long and interesting response. One thing she said: “Dear beta men, please start asking us out. With a clear intent of dating.” It was an interesting juxtaposition with a recent blogpost I read by my friend Lee over at Life in the Dash Lane, where she expressed concern that one of her friends, clearly in her FZ, expressed his attraction to her, and whether they could remain friends with her knowing this now.
I hope this doesn’t creep some women out, but let’s be honest here: for men who value friendships with women, most of them would jump at the chance to take that friendship to a more intimate level — assuming there aren’t complicating factors, significant others, etc. There is already a connection that the friendship has been built on, they enjoy spending time with you. You’re also of the opposite sex, and there are human biological needs that both of you have. For these men, getting to be more intimate isn’t about flipping a switch, changing from friends to lovers– it’s about adding another layer, building something deeper on the foundation, being friends and lovers. For a beta man, being in the Friend Zone and the end zone is Nirvana!
Let’s be clear. Your guy friends (those who aren’t alpha males) dig you. They know you, the good and the bad. They think you’re awesome.
And… they’re attracted to you.
For those who are now totally creeped out, let me toss you a life line. These same guys you have in The Friend Zone, these guys who I assure you would be perfectly fine with being more than friends… these guys are also perfectly fine with staying in the FZ and just being friends. They aren’t biding their time, putting in the niceness points with the expectation of eventually getting sex out of you (unless they’re alphas masquerading as betas). If the attraction isn’t there, if you can’t see yourself being intimate with them, they’re cool with that. They can be your friend, your confidant; they can be happy for your successes and thrilled for you when you find romance. They can be all that without having ulterior motives, believe it or not.
Of course, what Claudia was referring to were the men who don’t have the courage to just step up and make their intentions known right away when they meet someone they really like.
For the most part, I agree. There are few things as frustrating for both the man and the woman than a man trying to weasel his way into a woman’s pants by pretending to be friends first. However, I’d suggest that things aren’t always so simple. Oftentimes you meet a cool woman, and she has a boyfriend (of course!). Or maybe she’s just been through a messy breakup. Maybe she’s working full time and going to school full time, and just doesn’t have time for dating. Sure, maybe your first intention, your first impression is I want to date this woman. But you can’t, the circumstances won’t allow it. Does that mean you should just walk away?
If there’s a connection there, sometimes friendship is the appropriate way to build a relationship at that time. A beta man will value and cherish that friendship for what it is, not what it might become in the future. In time, circumstances can change. People can change. But sometimes they don’t, and that’s fine too.
The other day I was talking with my roommate and telling him about my plans to expand my social circles starting this month (Climbing Out of the Social Void). He laughed at me and said “Dude, you just want to get laid!” Well, sure– of course I do! But I also want to just get out there and mingle, get to know people, make new friends. If I run across an awesome woman, and get put in her Friend Zone, that’s cool with me! Whats wrong with adding to your circle of friends?
So here’s what I think: Men, don’t be afraid to be put in The Friend Zone. Dude, you’re getting a friendship with a cool woman who can offer you fun times, great conversations, and perspectives on life and love you might otherwise miss out on. It’s something to be cherished. You will find another woman who will be willing to jump in the sack with you. Heck, your friend might introduce you one day!
Women, don’t be weirded out if you think your friend in The Friend Zone might be attracted to you. Of course he is. You’re awesome! He’s perfectly capable of keeping his hands off you and being the friend you want and need… and you never know, one day down the road you might realize you find him attractive too.




Ben, once again you’re poured out another awesome blog post! Kudos! Oddly enough, while driving home from my client, a radio station announcer discussed a recent study that stated this: 90% of women are okay with being in the friend zone with their male friends and wouldn’t cross the line….BUT…..90% of men aren’t okay with the friend zone and would cross the line in order to be satisfied sexually. VERY interesting indeed!
Let’s hope the next guy I have a relationship with is in the 10% who wouldn’t cross the line with his female friends. Geez! It’s getting more and more depressing as time goes on.
Aw, don’t get depressed! As you quoted Steve Harvey in your blogpost, it’s just another indication that “it’s always the woman who has total control”
I would take a “study” quoted in a radio station with a grain of salt, which was probably read on air to stir up callers. Was the study just young men/young women? Did it include older folks? How exactly was the question worded? I don’t think it means that a guy will cheat on his girlfriend with his female friends with 90% certainty if she offers him up The Cookie!
I hope my blogpost didn’t come across as suggesting that a male friend is going to willing to jump into sack with you even if he has a girlfriend or wife! I was writing under the assumption of the guy being single. I’m assuming a guy who respects a friendship with a woman will also respect his significant other enough to be faithful.
I’ve just posted a blog about it (and a few other depressive annoyances!).
I’m not so sure there’s any decent men left in my surrounding area. I think I may have to move to the other side of the country to find them.
Sorry there seems to be such a dearth of good men out there, jerks!
Thanks for putting that link up on your blog, I checked out the study and it does seem to be more legit than I assumed.
“Historically, men faced the risk of being shut out, genetically, if they didn’t take advantage of various reproductive opportunities,” explains Bleske-Rechek. “So the argument is that men have evolved to be far more sexually opportunistic.” — Yikes, that pokes a big hole into my assertions, eh?
The last paragraph tossed me a bone though: “Sexual attraction came up so frequently as a cost …But people seem willing to take the bad with the good because they find fulfilment in these friendships.”
The study confirmed what I’ve been dealing with for many years. Men (most) are dawgs and just want what they want, when they want it.
I’m gonna start batting for the other team soon! LOL
From getting to know you thru your blog, THAT would be a loss to my gender, LOL! You seem like a such an awesome woman. Sadly, I cannot deny your ascertion that most men are dawgs because… well, it’s true
Thanks for the compliment. I’m now a jaded and depressed awesome woman……
Does lack of sexual attraction (from the man’s perspective) create a serious detriment in having a friendship with a woman? Just reversing the logic here… it would seem that you’re saying it’s impossible, or highly improbable, for a man to have a close friendship with a woman that he’s not attracted to… that idea makes me feel lonely, nearing 30, not having many friends, (perhaps just a function of having a kid in grad school, and moving a lot). I can’t say your comments are inconsistent with my experience, though. My current husband was my best friend for nearly a year while we were both in unhappy marriages. People have funny ways of having their needs met, and we are all complex, evolving beings! I appreciate your disclaimer, but I can’t think that a social contract like marriage has much real control over people’s true nature and desires. Perhaps it restrains their actions, but the heart is not so easily tamed, and it seems heart and intent were more the subject here.
You make some great points! I didn’t really mean to paint a broad picture of male/female friendships with this post. In writing about “The Friend Zone” I’m mostly talking about when a guy initially is attracted to a woman but for whatever reason (not attracted to him, dating someone else, etc.) she puts him in the FZ. I think it’s a popular notion and something that happens a lot. I just wanted to point out for the guys that it’s not a terrible thing to be there, and for women not to be weirded out when they find out that friend finds her attractive.
I think a guy and a woman can become friends for a whole host of reasons other than sexual attraction, though I do think that for most guys, even if there’s not an attraction at first, they will inevitably find something about you they find sexy as they get to know you. Or… maybe that’s just me
BTW, your story about you and your husband finding each other after leaving unhappy marriages gives me hope!!
LOVE this male perspective as the few male friends I do have, I wondered what they were thinking, and this is a great post on the support that is available to us, apparently, irresistible, incredible, and awesome females. A great ego boost, and friend zone demystifier. Especially on the ‘adding a layer’ part. Love that! Thank you again so much, this really helped me understand how to behave too (like those married guys who don’t tell me they’re married, try to get close to me as a friend, and then I have to smack them with friendship boundaries. Sigh).
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Thanks, glad you liked it!
Yeah, those married guys who don’t let you know they’re married, you should definitely avoid!
Yeah, I had a really creepy experience. This guy was like asking where I live, my number all that, and I’m like, I don’t share that. THEN he tells me he’s married (as if it’s okay). But then he does it again, tries to get into my personal space. And I’m creeped out that his wife is the same ethnicity as me. I get the heebie jeebies in general, and I honor that instead of ignoring that now.
Thank you for being awesome support! Always great to get the male perspective on things!
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You’re very welcome! And thanks so much for your feedback, as you well know, it’s great to hear people’s thoughts on your writing, I really appreciate it!
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